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Upload Feedback Thread

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Given the handful of threads lately for the same topic, I think we should take a page out of other Boorus' books and have one centralized thread for upload feedback. Further discussions on these matters should go in this thread.

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  • So as I understand the posts are only approved if an approver/moderator likes your post but won't that inherently create a bias towards certain content?
    E.g. If I was an approver with this method I'd have a bias towards posts with the Flat_Chest & Small_Breasts tags.

    Shouldn't it just be a base standard that a post has to reach to be approved? not reliant on the actual content within (As long as it isn't breaking any rules) e.g. Correct anatomy, good detail, no obvious defects, something that hasn't already been posted, etc.

    Not expecting you to change the system just want to understand the reasoning behind how it is currently and why a baseline standard isn't setup/applied instead.

    On another note, anyone can still see "deleted" posts Here, maybe people would take it better if it was called something else like "unapproved" as the term deleted can make people assume it has been removed from the site completely.

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  • People are inherently going to be harsher on content they don't like. I don't want to ask users to approve things they don't like just because they're "technically good", and even if I did it would likely not change much as users won't don't like something will view it as worse than something they do like.

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  • Talulah said:

    People are inherently going to be harsher on content they don't like. I don't want to ask users to approve things they don't like just because they're "technically good", and even if I did it would likely not change much as users won't don't like something will view it as worse than something they do like.

    If this is the case, then I'm completely missing the point of the approval process. I initially assumed that it was screening for things like nightmare fuel, low-res images, imitations of real-life people, etc. But if it's just a method for a select few choosing what they like, then I don't see why that role can't be better and more efficiently covered by the basic rating/fav system.

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  • It's for quality control. The idea is only users who have shown themselves to have a good track record of uploads/likes will be promoted, and thus those users are the most likely to only approve good content.

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  • From what I can recap here. The problem is that there is not many approvers to approve everything in the 3 days timespan. And they are not thinking of giving people approver role (yet) as they want to keep this 'Quality control' to be fair and balanced and to not be bias. While people thinks that the quality control can not be easily put into bias as most of the criteria are fact/ something most people can agree on, (ie. nightmare fuel, imitations of real-life people) and the opinion that the approvers are biased as there are some posts that has been reviewed by only 1 or 2 approvers and has been rejected without reasoning. which came down to my opinions here:

    - Give the privileges to approve to those who has been active regularly and has good amount of posts. Probably asks said user before if they will have time to do the approve.

    - Make an upvotes system like in most subreddit for post that are not approved, maybe make the buttons bigger and change the 'This post has not been approved' banner to 'Upvote if you think this post belong to the site' but takes this as a grain of salt as I rarely use Reddit

    - Allow approver to approve deleted posts (if thats possible) since most of them are just expired because approvers didn't have time, you can make a new status to 'expired' or something so that it is separated from the deleted pile.

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  • Ratcha said:

    From what I can recap here. The problem is that there is not many approvers to approve everything in the 3 days timespan. And they are not thinking of giving people approver role (yet) as they want to keep this 'Quality control' to be fair and balanced and to not be bias. While people thinks that the quality control can not be easily put into bias as most of the criteria are fact/ something most people can agree on, (ie. nightmare fuel, imitations of real-life people) and the opinion that the approvers are biased as there are some posts that has been reviewed by only 1 or 2 approvers and has been rejected without reasoning.

    The issue isn't the 72 hour time limit, honestly. I think it's just down to the availability of any given approver. For example, I work at night from 10pm - 6am, so for me when I get home I may or may not check the site as one of the first things I do. After that I'd (reasonably) probably spend a good portion of the day asleep if I didn't have a shit sleep schedule, but I check the queue around 4 ~ 7 times each day if I can help it. I don't know where everyone else is located or what their habit is with looking at the queue, but quite a few seem to be off/away by the time I'm a awake and vice-versa.

    Anyway, I don't think anyone had said the approval system didn't have bias; it does. People have biases about everything, and the same goes for looking at pictures and deciding which ones you like. I feel like the only real objective metric to disapprove a post is if it breaks the rules (except if it's maybe "borderline" and I don't know for sure.) Take a this example I apply with a couple users;

    • If a user has a generally good history of uploads I've approved in the past, I consider it more likely they'll continue uploading content I like, therefore the chances of their posts being approved by me increases. They may take priority for me in reviewing.

    For me, it's not a "buddy" system. I don't approve stuff because I'm friends with any specific user. I don't have friends on here and I've never been convinced to approve something because someone told me I should. I only use my own judgement because that's what you're supposed to do. If I get told, "approve stuff even if you don't like it but only base your decision on whether the image is technically good or technically bad," then that's what I would do.

    It's the expectation to approve what you like (just like on Danbooru, and I'm very sure, on many other booru sites), especially because if you don't like something, you're more likely to consider it bad. That's the reason multiple approvers exist, because they may end up liking something someone else doesn't and it only takes 1 person to approve/undelete something, regardless of how many before them disapproved it.

    Ratcha said:

    - Give the privileges to approve to those who has been active regularly and has good amount of posts. Probably asks said user before if they will have time to do the approve.

    I think this might be a moot point now, as Fred went out of his way to promote 5 users yesterday, all of whom were given approval privileges. This brings the number to 10 approvers now (or... 9, since keyda never approves anything), so it's more likely every post will be reviewed by at least one of them.

    Ratcha said:

    - Make an upvotes system like in most subreddit for post that are not approved, maybe make the buttons bigger and change the 'This post has not been approved' banner to 'Upvote if you think this post belong to the site' but takes this as a grain of salt as I rarely use Reddit.

    I really don't like this idea, mainly because in my experience with using that site most users on Reddit don't use that system to upvote "relevant" content and downvote "irrelevant" content as it was designed for. It's frequently used in most subreddits as a popularity system to upvote agreed upon thoughts, comments, and general statements about something and disagreement/dissent is buried. It's the side effect of many subreddits admittedly becoming very insular echo-chamers, but I feel like it would be too ripe for abuse.

    Ratcha said:

    - Allow approver to approve deleted posts (if thats possible) since most of them are just expired because approvers didn't have time, you can make a new status to 'expired' or something so that it is separated from the deleted pile.

    Approvers already have this ability. They can delete, undelete, ban, and unban posts, I believe. You would have to go through the deleted posts and go undelete whatever ones are desired, and I've done so on occasion.

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  • Fujiwara_no_Mokou said:

    Anyway, I don't think anyone had said the approval system didn't have bias; it does. People have biases about everything, and the same goes for looking at pictures and deciding which ones you like. I feel like the only real objective metric to disapprove a post is if it breaks the rules (except if it's maybe "borderline" and I don't know for sure.)

    This is where I get a bit confused. I'll use two examples:

    1. post #4744
    This Dogvahkiin post, by any objective standard, is of the exact same quality as the rest of their "painting" images. You might not like it in particular (and neither do I), but if the rest of the posts are acceptable, then this one should be, as well.

    2. post #2292
    No offense to the creator, but this weird centaur nightmare can safely be described as garbage tier.

    My point is that there are ways of analyzing these things that are more involved than personal preference.

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  • redjoe23 said:
    1. post #4744
    This Dogvahkiin post, by any objective standard, is of the exact same quality as the rest of their "painting" images. You might not like it in particular (and neither do I), but if the rest of the posts are acceptable, then this one should be, as well.

    You're focusing on their "standard" of quality, but it's not the only factor that goes into approving a post.

    This argument could be made to justify having post #3775 be approved because there are 3 images in this type of style that were approved at some point. Novelai is not good at doing a pixel art style, for the most part. It could be said to be an expected outcome for it to be like this, but they were too low quality to stay and the only ones that are still active were either cleaned up, or the generator had better luck getting something that didn't look near incomprehensible.

    Posts are judged and approved on a case-by-case basis. It may seem like a ambiguous answer, but personal preference is the main factor.

    With the example of that specific artist, I've approved 4 posts generated by them (post #4634, post #4635, post #4644, and post #4645) in the past. That specific image you are talking about was reviewed by only one approver at the time, which was me. I simply didn't like it. I didn't take their standard image quality into consideration because it was the content of the image itself that I didn't like. Anyway, no one else reviewed it during it's time in the queue, so it was deleted as usual.

    Should I have approved the image despite not liking it?

    redjoe23 said:
    2. post #2292
    No offense to the creator, but this weird centaur nightmare can safely be described as garbage tier.

    My point is that there are ways of analyzing these things that are more involved than personal preference.

    I really don't think this is a good example to use.

    It never made it to the 72-hour point (it actually didn't even last an hour in the queue) and was deleted about a half hour after upload by an admin for being too low quality. It doesn't really take personal preference to see that that image was bad, but that goes back to what I was getting at about the "objective" ways in which a post can be disapproved/deleted.

    Poor quality can be subjective, depending on what aspect of the quality you're pointing out. It can also be objective in various ways (like being poorly resized, just being bad, or having any other number of issues.)

    Breaking the rules is obvious, and I've disapproved (and deleted a couple) posts for either outright breaking the rules or because I believed they did. Other approvers can make the decision too.

    redjoe23 said:

    My point is that there are ways of analyzing these things that are more involved than personal preference.

    That is correct. Personal preference isn't the only factor. It's the main one, though.

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  • exLight said:

    On another note, anyone can still see "deleted" posts Here, maybe people would take it better if it was called something else like "unapproved" as the term deleted can make people assume it has been removed from the site completely.

    In fact, you can choose the option to simply see deleted posts with everything else. The only difference will be when using a PC, they'll have a grey border around the thumbnail.

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  • Talulah said:
    It's for quality control. The idea is only users who have shown themselves to have a good track record of uploads/likes will be promoted, and thus those users are the most likely to only approve good content.

    This is a must for giving someone the ability to bypass the queue. However to approve posts, I'd say a low percentage of deleted posts is acceptable, so long as the deleted posts are just 'I don't care for it' rejections and not 'low quality/rule breaking' posts.

    Additionally, I'd point out that as a cutting edge tech, we don't want to encourage people to play it too safe when creating AI art. To me the whole medium is about unbridled creativity, within limits of course.

    Another thing about it, is that people that don't normally get catered to with real artists get to have stuff made for them, so we're likely to get a lot of niche but not immoral fetishes that are high quality but just things that only a few people like. Granted again that issue might disappear with enough and diverse approvers too.

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  • If you can be trusted to approve posts you should also be trusted to bypass the queue. It doesn't make any sense to tell users they're competent enough to approve others' posts but their own still have to go through the queue.

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  • - Make an upvotes system like in most subreddit for post that are not approved, maybe make the buttons bigger and change the 'This post has not been approved' banner to 'Upvote if you think this post belong to the site' but takes this as a grain of salt as I rarely use Reddit

    I really don't like this idea because a lot of art is legit but just doesn't have a lot of fans. A point I raised above is that AI art lets people that aren't normally catered to by artists have art too, and you don't want to drown out all the niche but harmless themes that you'll get from people just trying to have as much art as the mainstream fetishes do :p

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  • Though I also forgot to note something I don't think anyone else has mentioned. You can appeal other people's images. If you see an image in deleted that you think really shouldn't be there, go ahead and appeal it. I appealed someone else's the other day because I noticed no one had looked at it during it's first 3-day trip.

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  • Fujiwara_no_Mokou said:

    Nope, I don't think it does. It's a petite girl but doesn't look like a child.
    Took the tag off.

    Thank you.
    That being said I think normal members shouldn't be able to assign certain tags that can take down images because then anyone can just go rogue and assign that tag to everything to delete them.

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  • Potate said:

    Thank you.
    That being said I think normal members shouldn't be able to assign certain tags that can take down images because then anyone can just go rogue and assign that tag to everything to delete them.

    I would agree more if it were a more frequently used tag, which it really isn't. AIBooru currently just hit 7,500 uploads. Realistic loli is currently tagged on 31 posts. If it did become a big issue, there are two admins so they'd be able to take care of any needed banning. Additionally, Approvers and above can see images with level-blocked tags like that, so any undoing shouldn't be a problem since I think it would be rather obvious whether something didn't fit.

    I will say that the tag being added initially was probably the result of a mistake. The upload in question has a realistic style and it had been tagged loli, so it likely led them to adding realistic loli.

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  • So from what I'm gathering, there's not a lot of approvers at the moment and that may result in a lot of unapproved content? Should I worry about that and do appeals for unapproved content once the team is increased or not worry about it?

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  • MassBrainImpact said:

    So from what I'm gathering, there's not a lot of approvers at the moment and that may result in a lot of unapproved content? Should I worry about that and do appeals for unapproved content once the team is increased or not worry about it?

    Eh, maybe...? You can see the full list of any user that can approve posts here. There's currently 11 users with that ability (not counting DanbooruBot.) Also, looking at post approvals for the last month you can see that some of them aren't as active or just don't approve as much as others.

    The main reason a post will not get approved is if no one who reviewed it liked it enough to do so (barring it breaking rules or being bad quality), but if any upload of yours gets deleted then you're free to appeal it. Appealing will always be a gamble though, but it just takes one person to like it to be approved so...

    Updated

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  • koakumabr said:

    post #8896

    I don't see why it got unapproved

    Personally, I don't find the stark colors of the character that pleasing here. Another issue I have with the image is the sunflower in the background. Normally, sunflowers are round, but here it is more of an ellipse. It could be a stylistic, abstract-style choice, but I find it very hard to wrap my head around.

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  • Lyren said:

    Personally, I don't find the stark colors of the character that pleasing here. Another issue I have with the image is the sunflower in the background. Normally, sunflowers are round, but here it is more of an ellipse. It could be a stylistic, abstract-style choice, but I find it very hard to wrap my head around.

    I think this non-round sunflower comes from the synmetry from the background itself (that mirrors behind Yuuka), and became splitted in two eliptic halves

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  • Seeing the amount of concerns regarding this and seeing this for myself - I question what is the point of using this site and spending the time to upload and enter in tags for naught? If all it is is a handful (3-4?) of active approvers (of ~11) which will be highly biased on approvals for whatever the reason -

    ie quoted comment from approver - "It might just be me, but the fact that the sharp object that looks like a tower is overlapping with the hand makes the whole image look as if the girl could be a giant, and I find that very intriguing." (on an image with a deformed hand mind you)

    For that to seemingly be the reason 1 out of 13 uploads (all of the same quality if not better) was approved while the others were disregarded via 'disinterest' from "hidden" approver - I see little reason to be involved with and upload to this site seeing everyone else experiencing similar concerns with all the locked threads, cherry picked images on the homepage, etc.

    I can see the pov of a larger site with many many approvers all geared toward quality and a variety of types/styles/tags what have you - but currently the system plain doesn't work in my opinion and from what I'm seeing. 1-2 active approvers will just cherry pick and cruise through uploads with their personal tastes alone. Exlight's first post in this thread relates to what I'm getting at as well.

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  • Ocean3 said:

    For that to seemingly be the reason 1 out of 13 uploads (all of the same quality if not better) was approved while the others were disregarded via 'disinterest' from "hidden" approver

    It's advisable to post here only if your posts are getting deleted. It's been only few hours since you posted your images, and in that time, 0 approvers have checked 8 of the posts, and only 1 has checked the rest. There are some approvers that only check the queue from bottom to top, meaning they approve posts more often from the 2-3 day mark instead of the recent ones.

    Ocean3 said:

    ie quoted comment from approver - "It might just be me, but the fact that the sharp object that looks like a tower is overlapping with the hand makes the whole image look as if the girl could be a giant, and I find that very intriguing." (on an image with a deformed hand mind you)

    So far I have approved 338 posts and that was the first positive comment I have sent to a post. I might be picky, but not that picky. There are some things though that most often make me hit the disinterest button very quickly like bad hands, even lesser so.

    As one example I can give you is post #10330, which I did not approve since I am not too fond of her left hand, the thumb looks too thick.

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  • lvlln said:

    Hi, can I get clarification on why post #9973 wasn't approved?

    It feels like a mixture of styles mashed into one with no consistency across the image. The faces feel like flat color style, whereas parts like the hair and the kimonos are normal. Same with outlining, Fujino has stronger outlines than average, and the rest of the image is mostly in no lineart style, which feels very uncanny, especially in Azaka's facial/head area.

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  • Lyren said:

    It's advisable to post here only if your posts are getting deleted. It's been only few hours since you posted your images, and in that time, 0 approvers have checked 8 of the posts, and only 1 has checked the rest. There are some approvers that only check the queue from bottom to top, meaning they approve posts more often from the 2-3 day mark instead of the recent ones.

    So far I have approved 338 posts and that was the first positive comment I have sent to a post. I might be picky, but not that picky. There are some things though that most often make me hit the disinterest button very quickly like bad hands, even lesser so.

    As one example I can give you is post #10330, which I did not approve since I am not too fond of her left hand, the thumb looks too thick.

    You're right - still pretty freshly posted and a bit new still. Thought to address my concerns here in the main thread though. Apologies for jumping the gun in that regard. If you guys need more approvers, feel free to let people know though 👍

    Also, your comment on that one post was interesting, didn't mind it at all - only brought it up here for referencing.

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  • Lyren said:

    It feels like a mixture of styles mashed into one with no consistency across the image. The faces feel like flat color style, whereas parts like the hair and the kimonos are normal. Same with outlining, Fujino has stronger outlines than average, and the rest of the image is mostly in no lineart style, which feels very uncanny, especially in Azaka's facial/head area.

    Thank you for the clarification. I did not realize that AIbooru had a stylistic consistency requirement for the images. I'll keep that in mind going forward for future uploads.

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  • lvlln said:

    Thank you for the clarification. I did not realize that AIbooru had a stylistic consistency requirement for the images. I'll keep that in mind going forward for future uploads.

    There is no requirement, this is just my personal view of it. Approvers are told to approve the posts they personally like, and these my own reasonings for not liking the post; other approvers might have different reasons.

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  • Lyren said:

    There is no requirement, this is just my personal view of it. Approvers are told to approve the posts they personally like, and these my own reasonings for not liking the post; other approvers might have different reasons.

    I see, thanks for the further clarification. I admit I didn't know much about how Boorus work and mistakenly thought that they were general repositories rather than curated collections. I'll keep that in mind going forward.

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  • lvlln said:

    I see, thanks for the further clarification. I admit I didn't know much about how Boorus work and mistakenly thought that they were general repositories rather than curated collections. I'll keep that in mind going forward.

    Some do operate more as general repositories, but most I've visited usually are curated to some degree.

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  • Hello, this is my first post in this site.
    I have a question about how to submit an image.

    I recently submitted two similar images. (post #11715) was approved, while (post #11716) was not approved.
    I would NOT like to ask why (post #11716) was disapproved. Rather, I was impressed to notice from Approver's message that the review process was much more detailed and thorough than I had expected.
    I appreciate the administrators and approvers of this site.
    And thank you @Lyren and @fredgido for liking my illustrations. I hope to submit more improved illustrations next time.

    However, the fact that (post #11715) was approved and (post #11716) was not, made me have one question. The two images I created are quite similar. I feel that it is more proper etiquette to focus on one of the best images before uploading it. But, I could not decide which one was better, so I ended up uploading both. I preferred (post #11716), but in fact (post #11715) was approved.

    This made me think, "If I limit them to one image, it might not get approved. I should upload 2-4 similar images".

    What should I do when I have created several similar images and it is difficult to determine which image is best?
    Should I choice only one image by myself? Or can I continue to upload multiple similar images as before?

    Furthermore, if possible, I would appreciate your suggestions on how to improve my illustrations to your liking.

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  • Where do you even see a message from approver/disapproved? For people who are trying to get better no feedback at all especially when people have upvoted or hearted an image for it to get deleted seems weird? Also by default almost all the images people see are pending which doesn't teach users what type of content is actually expected by the approvers. Especially when we are not trying to spam a bunch of low quality images, but lose upload slots to deletion with zero feedback. I think there are some misconceptions about why people are coming here. They are coming here because they want a NSFW version of lexica that lets them see what prompts are working but it seems like the site wants to be more of a "high quality gallery of mostly NSFW AI generated art" which is a very different purpose

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  • x_u said:

    Hello, this is my first post in this site.
    I have a question about how to submit an image.

    I recently submitted two similar images. (post #11715) was approved, while (post #11716) was not approved.
    I would NOT like to ask why (post #11716) was disapproved. Rather, I was impressed to notice from Approver's message that the review process was much more detailed and thorough than I had expected.
    I appreciate the administrators and approvers of this site.
    And thank you @Lyren and @fredgido for liking my illustrations. I hope to submit more improved illustrations next time.

    However, the fact that (post #11715) was approved and (post #11716) was not, made me have one question. The two images I created are quite similar. I feel that it is more proper etiquette to focus on one of the best images before uploading it. But, I could not decide which one was better, so I ended up uploading both. I preferred (post #11716), but in fact (post #11715) was approved.

    This made me think, "If I limit them to one image, it might not get approved. I should upload 2-4 similar images".

    What should I do when I have created several similar images and it is difficult to determine which image is best?
    Should I choice only one image by myself? Or can I continue to upload multiple similar images as before?

    Furthermore, if possible, I would appreciate your suggestions on how to improve my illustrations to your liking.

    I can't speak for everyone but when I see a group of very similar images I usually approve only the one I like the most. I don't mind if another approver approves the other ones of course. In case of your posts I'd say the disapproved one had some issues with the eyes of both characters and in the space between males right arm and girls left leg. My assumption is that when someone saw both of them, they decided that there is no need to have both on the site. But as I said, that's just my opinion and guess.

    Jaynen said:

    Where do you even see a message from approver/disapproved? For people who are trying to get better no feedback at all especially when people have upvoted or hearted an image for it to get deleted seems weird? Also by default almost all the images people see are pending which doesn't teach users what type of content is actually expected by the approvers. Especially when we are not trying to spam a bunch of low quality images, but lose upload slots to deletion with zero feedback. I think there are some misconceptions about why people are coming here. They are coming here because they want a NSFW version of lexica that lets them see what prompts are working but it seems like the site wants to be more of a "high quality gallery of mostly NSFW AI generated art" which is a very different purpose

    If there is a message it is shown alongside the "This post is pending approval." message. It's also displayed in the moderation history of each post (one of the links below tags). Approvers are checking images voluntarily and many of us don't have enough time to describe the reason why we didn't approve each of the images. In my case I didn't approve your deleted images because I personally dislike images depicting sex. So I simply clicked "disinterest" and left them to other approvers. In case of post #11951 the eyes looked too realistic with the mostly flat shading of the face. Again personal preference.

    Each of the approvers have their own style they like to see and if your images don't fit into any of these categories you're sadly out of luck. Is this system good or optimal? I don't know. There are things that I'd like to post here but can't because of the rules too.

    I think that everyone comes to the site for different reasons. I for example come mostly to share my images and prompts and to check what others were able to create. If you want only images with prompts, filter for has:prompt. You can also search order:rank if you want to see the images that are currently trending instead of the latest ones.

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  • antlers_anon said:

    I can't speak for everyone but when I see a group of very similar images I usually approve only the one I like the most. I don't mind if another approver approves the other ones of course. In case of your posts I'd say the disapproved one had some issues with the eyes of both characters and in the space between males right arm and girls left leg. My assumption is that when someone saw both of them, they decided that there is no need to have both on the site. But as I said, that's just my opinion and guess.

    If there is a message it is shown alongside the "This post is pending approval." message. It's also displayed in the moderation history of each post (one of the links below tags). Approvers are checking images voluntarily and many of us don't have enough time to describe the reason why we didn't approve each of the images. In my case I didn't approve your deleted images because I personally dislike images depicting sex. So I simply clicked "disinterest" and left them to other approvers. In case of post #11951 the eyes looked too realistic with the mostly flat shading of the face. Again personal preference.

    Each of the approvers have their own style they like to see and if your images don't fit into any of these categories you're sadly out of luck. Is this system good or optimal? I don't know. There are things that I'd like to post here but can't because of the rules too.

    I think that everyone comes to the site for different reasons. I for example come mostly to share my images and prompts and to check what others were able to create. If you want only images with prompts, filter for has:prompt. You can also search order:rank if you want to see the images that are currently trending instead of the latest ones.

    But order rank has tons of images that are pending, and which may be deleted for arbitrary reasons of someone for example like you who simply doesn't like sex. I think the site needs to make their site goals more clear in the text provided to users in the upload. The issue is right now based on site rules don't set people up for success. We have no idea how to meet the expectations of the site its essentially random and it doesn't matter how many "users" of the site have actually upvoted something.

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  • Jaynen said:

    But order rank has tons of images that are pending, and which may be deleted for arbitrary reasons of someone for example like you who simply doesn't like sex. I think the site needs to make their site goals more clear in the text provided to users in the upload. The issue is right now based on site rules don't set people up for success. We have no idea how to meet the expectations of the site its essentially random and it doesn't matter how many "users" of the site have actually upvoted something.

    Posts aren't deleted because someone dislikes them (unless they brake the rules). It takes only one approver to approve a post no matter how many others didn't like it or were not interdsted. I do agree though that a clarification on what should be posted would be nice but I don't know what should be written there.
    Based on what I saw and what I approved or not I'd say that bad anatomy and inconsistent/messy style are the biggest problems. But that's only my opinion.

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  • antlers_anon said:

    Posts aren't deleted because someone dislikes them (unless they brake the rules). It takes only one approver to approve a post no matter how many others didn't like it or were not interdsted. I do agree though that a clarification on what should be posted would be nice but I don't know what should be written there.
    Based on what I saw and what I approved or not I'd say that bad anatomy and inconsistent/messy style are the biggest problems. But that's only my opinion.

    But 3 days going by where 4 people didn't happen to like your post means it gets deleted. And then if you get multiple deletions your upload cap goes lower and lower. And the very same image might have been liked by multiple users just not "reviewers". But people have no idea how to "please the judges". I don't think its the fault of the reviewers but its extremely biased based on perspectives that are not communicated to the submitter. As far as I am aware there is not even a way to see the images that recently were approved vs deleted so you could say "Oh I see most of the approved ones did X"

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  • Jaynen said:

    But 3 days going by where 4 people didn't happen to like your post means it gets deleted. And then if you get multiple deletions your upload cap goes lower and lower. And the very same image might have been liked by multiple users just not "reviewers". But people have no idea how to "please the judges". I don't think its the fault of the reviewers but its extremely biased based on perspectives that are not communicated to the submitter. As far as I am aware there is not even a way to see the images that recently were approved vs deleted so you could say "Oh I see most of the approved ones did X"

    Sadly, I don't have a solution to this. Maybe someone else will but I doubt it because it was already discussed on the forum.
    If you want to see what was recently approved or deleted check status:active and status:deleted

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  • antlers_anon said:

    Sadly, I don't have a solution to this. Maybe someone else will but I doubt it because it was already discussed on the forum.
    If you want to see what was recently approved or deleted check status:active and status:deleted

    I mean it just seems like people will get frustrated and then leave and you won't develop a community you will just churn through lots of people who will all be new and "not learn the rules" Ill just delete my account and go find a more welcoming community to try to get better/share?

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  • x_u said:

    Hello, this is my first post in this site.
    I have a question about how to submit an image.

    I recently submitted two similar images. (post #11715) was approved, while (post #11716) was not approved.
    I would NOT like to ask why (post #11716) was disapproved. Rather, I was impressed to notice from Approver's message that the review process was much more detailed and thorough than I had expected.
    I appreciate the administrators and approvers of this site.
    And thank you @Lyren and @fredgido for liking my illustrations. I hope to submit more improved illustrations next time.

    However, the fact that (post #11715) was approved and (post #11716) was not, made me have one question. The two images I created are quite similar. I feel that it is more proper etiquette to focus on one of the best images before uploading it. But, I could not decide which one was better, so I ended up uploading both. I preferred (post #11716), but in fact (post #11715) was approved.

    This made me think, "If I limit them to one image, it might not get approved. I should upload 2-4 similar images".

    What should I do when I have created several similar images and it is difficult to determine which image is best?
    Should I choice only one image by myself? Or can I continue to upload multiple similar images as before?

    Furthermore, if possible, I would appreciate your suggestions on how to improve my illustrations to your liking.

    Personally, I do approve variations if they are all good. From your posts, for instance, a good example is that I approved both post #8365 & post #8361 in the past. It's just that if the pair/group has an image that is worse in a lot of sections (whether it comes to taste or errors), such as post #11521 being the only one on the set getting deleted due to errors. But if every image is pleasing one in one way or another, they might all be approved such as post #9102 and its parents.

    It goes without saying of course, that there is a limit to how many variations one image could have without it feeling like spam.

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  • antlers_anon said:

    I can't speak for everyone but when I see a group of very similar images I usually approve only the one I like the most. I don't mind if another approver approves the other ones of course. In case of your posts I'd say the disapproved one had some issues with the eyes of both characters and in the space between males right arm and girls left leg. My assumption is that when someone saw both of them, they decided that there is no need to have both on the site. But as I said, that's just my opinion and guess.

    Sorry for the late reply, thanks for the advice. You are right, I too think it is sufficient if one of the several images is approved. (Of course, I would be more than happy if both were approved)
    Your advice made me notice there was still a problem with the girl's left leg. My corrective work was insufficient. On the other hand, I felt no problem with the boy's eye, because I thought it was a natural design for a Faceless male, which is often seen in NSFW illustrations. However, I suppose it is inevitable that there will be some differences in favorite style between Uploader and Approver. Probably you don't like my illustration depicting sex, but you commented properly about post #11716. Thanks for your thoughtful response. I will try to draw the boy's face properly next time.

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  • Lyren said:

    Personally, I do approve variations if they are all good. From your posts, for instance, a good example is that I approved both post #8365 & post #8361 in the past. It's just that if the pair/group has an image that is worse in a lot of sections (whether it comes to taste or errors), such as post #11521 being the only one on the set getting deleted due to errors. But if every image is pleasing one in one way or another, they might all be approved such as post #9102 and its parents.

    It goes without saying of course, that there is a limit to how many variations one image could have without it feeling like spam.

    Thanks for your comment! I was especially interested in your opinion.
    I forgot that there was a case where two similar images were both approved. I think when I submit similar images, it is no more than 4 at most, it is hard to prepare a lot of diffs with image2image.
     So, it is a little bit painful, but I think I will post 2 or 3 similar images in the future. I'll try to improve the illustrations so that people won't think I'm spamming. It's time to consider models other than NovelAI.

    Once again, thank you for your kind advice. I trust your thoughtful reviews. Next time I'll post an illustration to your liking, maybe.

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  • Hello! I'm a bit confused about what kind of images people are looking for on this booru. Is it being held up to Danbooru level scrutiny? And does the community voting not do anything for getting it approved? I ask because post #11594 had higher votes than some of my other posts. Does img2img put a bad taste in people's mouths versus just generating with ai only? I'm not sure why post #12402 got deleted. I just wish that the approvers would give some criticisms on how to improve it so I can try to get more of my posts approved.

    Also, what does it take to become a builder/approver? I've not been the most active but I spend quite a bit of time here tagging.

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  • FriddleDeeDoo said:

    Also, what does it take to become a builder/approver? I've not been the most active but I spend quite a bit of time here tagging.

    I got promoted to Builder recently. I can't comment on what exactly went into the decision, but I can tell you other things I had been doing leading up to it:

    • Creating/editing wikis
    • Adding/removing tags from posts to conform to the now-clarified wikis
    • Requesting good alias/implications where needed
    • Chatting on the discord (we discuss these types of issues there)

    But I can promise you that making Builder is not gonna earn you any special treatment by the approvers. Half my stuff still gets canned 😅

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  • FriddleDeeDoo said:

    Hello! I'm a bit confused about what kind of images people are looking for on this booru. Is it being held up to Danbooru level scrutiny? And does the community voting not do anything for getting it approved? I ask because post #11594 had higher votes than some of my other posts. Does img2img put a bad taste in people's mouths versus just generating with ai only? I'm not sure why post #12402 got deleted. I just wish that the approvers would give some criticisms on how to improve it so I can try to get more of my posts approved.

    Some of the community came from Danbooru yes, so the approval system is quite similar to theirs. Community votes & favourites have no impact on an approval. As far as I am aware, none of the approvers looks bad upon img2img.

    post #11594 might've been partly marked as disinterest due to shota not being to everyone's taste. Also, the hands of both characters seem to blend and merge with the clothing and the boy's arms blend with the girl's hands.

    post #12402 It's hard to say for sure, it's just off-putting. The angle feels distorted and the face feels flat compared to the rest of the composition.

    FriddleDeeDoo said:

    Also, what does it take to become a builder/approver? I've not been the most active but I spend quite a bit of time here tagging.

    topic #104 has quite a few pointers towards that, but tl;dr version of it is what redjoe said + tag gardening & uploading images.

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  • MalOMaw said:

    Is it because of the face? Works looks worth it

    It was well received by furries.
    post #13737

    Sometimes simple background like this can be enough, but sometimes it feels bland, like in this image. The right leg/foot feels wonky. Other than that, 100% (4 out of 4) of the furry_male is:nsfw status:any are currently deleted, which might be a big factor in it. There are simply not many approvers currently who prefer that stuff I presume.

    amagaeru said:

    Hi.
    Past post #14413 and post #12031 received negative scores.
    Are there any issues that make you feel bad or are against the rules?

    It seems like recently a lot of people have -1 from at least one person (most often only 1 negative), and I suspect it might be the same reason, however, I cannot confirm that since I can't see who puts up negative scores. So with that being said, personally I don't see any flaws within these images, so that comes down to two options: There is a troll going around, or simply a person who uses downvote simply as "I don't like it so I downvote, that's what downvote is for" kind of thinking.

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  • Lyren said:

    It seems like recently a lot of people have -1 from at least one person (most often only 1 negative), and I suspect it might be the same reason, however, I cannot confirm that since I can't see who puts up negative scores. So with that being said, personally I don't see any flaws within these images, so that comes down to two options: There is a troll going around, or simply a person who uses downvote simply as "I don't like it so I downvote, that's what downvote is for" kind of thinking.

    Thanks for your comment!
    I will try to post something that will get a positive response.

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  • amagaeru said:

    Thanks for your comment!
    I will try to post something that will get a positive response.

    I also noticed down-votes in recent posts of mine without a clear indication as to why. I figured the same as what Lyren mentioned. Either just spamming or there are small bits in the image they either don't like or could be fixed/better (and/or the overall composition). Unknown, but I'm replying to your post to back up what Lryen said about the same thing happening recently.

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  • Lyren said:

    amagaeru said:

    Hi.
    Past post #14413 and post #12031 received negative scores.
    Are there any issues that make you feel bad or are against the rules?

    It seems like recently a lot of people have -1 from at least one person (most often only 1 negative), and I suspect it might be the same reason, however, I cannot confirm that since I can't see who puts up negative scores. So with that being said, personally I don't see any flaws within these images, so that comes down to two options: There is a troll going around, or simply a person who uses downvote simply as "I don't like it so I downvote, that's what downvote is for" kind of thinking.

    These two were downvoted by different users.

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  • Ocean3 said:

    I also noticed down-votes in recent posts of mine without a clear indication as to why. I figured the same as what Lyren mentioned. Either just spamming or there are small bits in the image they either don't like or could be fixed/better (and/or the overall composition). Unknown, but I'm replying to your post to back up what Lryen said about the same thing happening recently.

    Thanks for your comment.
    I guess everyone has their own preferences.
    I will try to make a good post.

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  • Okay, heres the problem of "I don't want to ask users to approve things they don't like just because they're technically good". Four users liked the art, and two of them added it to their favorites. In the end, the art was rejected simply because the four updaters who saw it didn't like it enough to click one button. I literally spent 2 days of my life trying to get sd to draw what I want and how I want it. I can't even count how many times I photoshopped it and sent it to img2img. I understood when a few of my works were rejected because of a bad upscale (my mistake), but not here -_-
    post #14717

    can someone just.. approve it? :D

    Updated

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  • HeroineGirls2020 said:

    What This appeal button?

    There's an "Appeal" button in the sidebar of posts under "Options". You can use it to send the post back to the moderation queue to be looked at by approvers.

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  • HeroineGirls2020 said:

    Where This Option?

    On the left side of the page, scroll down. Below the tag list and information, along with options like "Edit", "Add notes", and "Add commentary".

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  • amagaeru said:

    Hi.
    If it's not too much trouble, could you please tell me what is wrong with post #17691 (caution: Rating:e) ?
    Is the male torso too long? Or is the female breasts too large?
    I would like to know for next post.

    I don't see any problem. It has not been denied approval. It just hasn't been approved yet. And I predict it will be, as it looks like a pretty good image. Good hands and multiple characters (who aren't twins) are a bonus. I've had pics sit for a few days before getting the green light.

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  • redjoe23 said:

    I don't see any problem. It has not been denied approval. It just hasn't been approved yet. And I predict it will be, as it looks like a pretty good image. Good hands and multiple characters (who aren't twins) are a bonus. I've had pics sit for a few days before getting the green light.

    Thanks for your reply.
    I will wait for approval.

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  • Can I get feedback on post #18324? I believe it is one of the best gens I've done and my first real attempt at inpaiting to get all the details right. Some of the other self uploads I've done I believe were lower quality yet approved so I'm wondering what has changed and what I should aim for in the future. Thanks.

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  • azreturned said:

    Can I get feedback on post #18324? I believe it is one of the best gens I've done and my first real attempt at inpaiting to get all the details right. Some of the other self uploads I've done I believe were lower quality yet approved so I'm wondering what has changed and what I should aim for in the future. Thanks.

    Sorry for a late-ish reply. I looked at the post and I can found a couple reasons it may not have been approved.

    • The hands (especially the right one) doesn't look very good. It's a bit messy and her ring finer looks like it's split, making her have six, inconsistently sized fingers.
    • The hair on her right side, near the shoulder doesn't look right either.
    • Both of her irises look different; The left iris looks relatively average and has a "shine", but the right one looks more "flat" and messy and doesn't have the same "shine" on it.

    Most of the issues are relatively small and could be fixed with more inpainting, but I see (and give) disapprovals for small things like that for being "off" or looking too weird.

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  • SpectralSprites said:

    Hello!

    Just looking for some feedback on why post #18921 wasn't approved?

    Thanks!

    Both hands on the left girl are horrible. The left hand is merging with the hair, the right hand has 6 fingers and otherwise weird fingers on top of that.

    The image has a tiny resolution which generally makes a lot of images meh at least for my monitor. The picture feels crunchy, I don't know if it's because of the small resolution, but if you zoom it, it feels like it has a lot of artefacts.

    These eyes are all over the place as well (mainly the left girl and the middle girl). The blue-haired girl has some hair around her neck, which doesn't really make sense the way I see it. Her nipple seems to be missing as well. On top of her weird eyes of hers, her nose looks like animal_nose but on human skin which is.. uncanny.

    The bottom left of the background seems a bit off but that's not as big of an issue compared to the rest.

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  • Could you explain why post #11709 was resurrected multiple times after being initially unapproved and then deleted for having a rather low resolution and slightly blurry (low quality) composition? I heard a new rule about not being able to request own posts to be deleted is now in place, but does that excuse the resurrection of a post that was meant to be deleted from the start? Why was it resurrected twice and kept in place even now? You have a few posts outside my radius being unapproved for valid reasons, yet this one is kept approved. Seems unfair, really.

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  • ertajla said:

    Could you explain why post #11709 was resurrected multiple times after being initially unapproved and then deleted for having a rather low resolution and slightly blurry (low quality) composition? I heard a new rule about not being able to request own posts to be deleted is now in place, but does that excuse the resurrection of a post that was meant to be deleted from the start? Why was it resurrected twice and kept in place even now? You have a few posts outside my radius being unapproved for valid reasons, yet this one is kept approved. Seems unfair, really.

    I don't have a reason to offer other than one of the approvers liked it and re-approved it again.

    Even though it still happens sometimes, I've been told that posts should only be deleted for breaking the rules, not because an uploader requested it.

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  • ANJU said:

    I don't have a reason to offer other than one of the approvers liked it and re-approved it again.

    Even though it still happens sometimes, I've been told that posts should only be deleted for breaking the rules, not because an uploader requested it.

    Actually, one of the approvers had to re-approve it because it was manually requested to be deleted by me, and Tallulah did say that self-deletion requests are not a thing anymore, so they (the approver) had no choice but to re-approve it. It's still very unfair that something like this is kept approved while other similar low quality ones get taken down.

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  • ertajla said:

    Actually, one of the approvers had to re-approve it because it was manually requested to be deleted by me, and Tallulah did say that self-deletion requests are not a thing anymore, so they (the approver) had no choice but to re-approve it. It's still very unfair that something like this is kept approved while other similar low quality ones get taken down.

    To add insult to injury, when it was originally unapproved, it later went into my deleted section automatically (3 days), and then about a month later got resurrected because one approved DID actually like it enough, despite them actually disliking the overall composition and alike. I did ask them why they did that, and this was the reason. I then requested it to be manually deleted, and later they did so. Not too long after, it was re-approved by a Moderator because self-deleted posts are not allowed anymore, but couldn't they just put it in unapproved section and let it delete by natural cause?

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  • ertajla said:

    Could you explain why post #11709 was resurrected multiple times after being initially unapproved and then deleted for having a rather low resolution and slightly blurry (low quality) composition? I heard a new rule about not being able to request own posts to be deleted is now in place, but does that excuse the resurrection of a post that was meant to be deleted from the start? Why was it resurrected twice and kept in place even now? You have a few posts outside my radius being unapproved for valid reasons, yet this one is kept approved. Seems unfair, really.

    Deletion reason is hidden in a menu and approvers some times don't notice it was deleted on purpose.

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  • fredgido said:

    Deletion reason is hidden in a menu and approvers some times don't notice it was deleted on purpose.

    It wasn't originally deleted on 'purpose'. Originally deleted itself after being unapproved for 3 days. Second time was manually requested.

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  • fredgido said:

    Deletion reason is hidden in a menu and approvers some times don't notice it was deleted on purpose.

    That's not true, though. Deletion reason should always show up right above the image. Unless someone just skipped it over, or they have this in custom CSS:

    div#c-posts .post-notice.post-notice-deleted {
      display: none;
    }
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  • Hello,

    I'd like to have some feedback/advice as to why these two posts have been deleted:
    post #21320
    post #19196

    For the first one, I think it's because of the hand but I don't think it's enough to judge the post completely unworthy, then again perhaps I'm mistaken. For the second one, I see no real issue, but again, perhaps I'm missing something?

    First one has been reviewed by 4 people who didn't like it. Second one was disliked by two people, and it makes me wonder if there is something I missed, or if I'm underestimating the ugliness of the imperfections.

    Thanks in advance for your answers!

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  • zileans said:

    Hello,

    I'd like to have some feedback/advice as to why these two posts have been deleted:
    post #21320
    post #19196

    For the first one, I think it's because of the hand but I don't think it's enough to judge the post completely unworthy, then again perhaps I'm mistaken. For the second one, I see no real issue, but again, perhaps I'm missing something?

    First one has been reviewed by 4 people who didn't like it. Second one was disliked by two people, and it makes me wonder if there is something I missed, or if I'm underestimating the ugliness of the imperfections.

    Thanks in advance for your answers!

    For me the biggest problem is that the face seems to not match the rest of the image. And in the second image eyes seem to interact with the hair in a weird way. Overall the quality of the images is rather high so maybe it's the fault of face restoration? I'm just guessing because I don't use it so I don't really know how it looks and I might be completely wrong.

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  • Now that you mention it I might have been using face restoration for those two pictures. I'll try and re-generate those images without that, see how it goes.
    You are also saying that the image quality is rather high. Is it fit for the site's standards?

    By the way I forgot about this post too which has been deleted because approvers did not like it. To be honest I don't see a lot of issues with this one, but perhaps somebody could help me see the problem?

    post #18590

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  • Hello,
    I'm new here, so I have a few questions
    Two of my posts (post #23788 and post #23790) were not approved within 3 days.
    Do I understand correctly that if there is no inscription that the approvers have seen the post, it means that just non of them has seen it and there is a chance of recovery? And is it necessary to make an appeal in this case?
    Thanks

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