I don't believe this subject has ever been discussed on a community level before, only between staff on a couple occasions. Anyway, a user on the Discord brought up the subject of paid rewards and while I agree with their sentiment, I'd like to know what other people's thoughts are on this.
I already understand that some people don't like the fact that people open Patreon/SubscribeStar/whatever to paywall ai-generated content, especially when said content doesn't even have editing or clean-up efforts done to fix errors/mistakes/other weirdness.
Paid rewards have always been banned, and that rule is a simple carry over from Danbooru, but should it be changed?
Discord quote 1: Why? I think this may be more of a subjective bias or opinion, but AI art cannot be owned. People who sell them are really just scammers and their shit should be "leaked".
Discord quote 2: Actual artists work hard on their work and they should be allowed to charge, but not AI "artists"/generators.
I don't believe this subject has ever been discussed on a community level before, only between staff on a couple occasions. Anyway, a user on the Discord brought up the subject of paid rewards and while I agree with their sentiment, I'd like to know what other people's thoughts are on this.
I already understand that some people don't like the fact that people open Patreon/SubscribeStar/whatever to paywall ai-generated content, especially when said content doesn't even have editing or clean-up efforts done to fix errors/mistakes/other weirdness.
Paid rewards have always been banned, and that rule is a simple carry over from Danbooru, but should it be changed?
I dont know what "paid rewards" explicitely means, but here's my opinion: Something outrageous such as putting a watermark or blurring parts of the image and making them available on patreon obviously shouldnt belong here, but self promo in the comments is fine as people can choose to ignore it or if they are geniunely interested they can have a look.
I dont know what "paid rewards" explicitely means, but here's my opinion: Something outrageous such as putting a watermark or blurring parts of the image and making them available on patreon obviously shouldnt belong here, but self promo in the comments is fine as people can choose to ignore it or if they are geniunely interested they can have a look.
If you, for example, paid for a Patreon subscription, then uploaded images that you can only get from having that subscription, it's against the rules. Uploading any type of paywalled content has been against the rules.
I'm also really not talking about people uploading promotional stuff or heavily watermarked images (which I'm sure would be deleted anyway), but whether paywalled content itself should be allowed to be uploaded here.
How I see it, it is not exactly a question of just paid rewards, but rather of how we want to treat uploads who's original proompter does not want them on the site. No one can do anything to aib for keeping them up because ai imgs have no copyrights so it's more about just respecting someone's wishes.
Every image is either: garbage made with no effort or something that effort was put into
garbage — we don't want it on the site anyway (this isn't really an argument for either side)
made with effort — this counters the argument of no effort == no gain
ummm, so the conclusions is: I have no idea, everything cancels out except: paid proompters are gonna be pissed. I don't like it when people are pissed and leave the site, so I vote to either keep the rule or change it to banning all uploads where the original creator implicitly or explicitly declared they do not want it shared (including paid rewards). Will we miss some potentially awesome images? Yes, but it's not like we have all of the ai images in the world anyway. I just don't want aibooru to turn into a site for dodging paywalls even if I don't like that the paywalls exist.
Encourage good behavior but respect people's opinions even if they don't agree with your morals.
I don't believe this subject has ever been discussed on a community level before, only between staff on a couple occasions. Anyway, a user on the Discord brought up the subject of paid rewards and while I agree with their sentiment, I'd like to know what other people's thoughts are on this.
I already understand that some people don't like the fact that people open Patreon/SubscribeStar/whatever to paywall ai-generated content, especially when said content doesn't even have editing or clean-up efforts done to fix errors/mistakes/other weirdness.
Paid rewards have always been banned, and that rule is a simple carry over from Danbooru, but should it be changed?
I feel paid rewards should be banned except if the artist uploads the content themselves.
I feel paid rewards should be banned except if the artist uploads the content themselves.
I like this approach, but I cannot fathom how an artist can prove they are the original prompter without uploading to AIBooru before all other sites, which would defeat the purpose of the paid reward. Given this, it is essentially disjoint to have both a paid reward and self-upload to this site.
Regardless of copyright, artist/prompter's feelings, and given the nature of image generation, I believe it is best to keep paid rewards banned from AIBooru due to this conflict between monetization and lack of "distribution management" by uploading here.
I like this approach, but I cannot fathom how an artist can prove they are the original prompter without uploading to AIBooru before all other sites, which would defeat the purpose of the paid reward. Given this, it is essentially disjoint to have both a paid reward and self-upload to this site.
Regardless of copyright, artist/prompter's feelings, and given the nature of image generation, I believe it is best to keep paid rewards banned from AIBooru due to this conflict between monetization and lack of "distribution management" by uploading here.
That is true, and it's not likely an ai prompter would want to upload content they want to be a paid reward in the first place.
That depends. We have had the occasional paid reward be uploaded by the person offering said paid reward themselves before, but usually those are banned until they tell a staff that they are fine with it being up.
If an artist chooses to upload their paywalled content, then it's no longer considered a paid reward because it has become public. Per the paid_reward wiki:
Public or free posts aren't paid rewards. If a post was free at the time of upload, then it's allowed. If an artist releases a paid reward for free later on, then it's allowed.
I don't believe it is in the community's best interest if artist/prompter should be first making their image public on AIBooru. I suggest it should be made public on another site like Twitter/X and then uploaded to here, even if it is self_upload.
I don't believe it is in the community's best interest if artist/prompter should be first making their image public on AIBooru. I suggest it should be made public on another site like Twitter/X and then uploaded to here, even if it is self_upload.
I'm confused by this. How is it some detriment to the site if someone uploads their own paywalled content to AIBooru directly and not somewhere else first?
I'm confused by this. How is it some detriment to the site if someone uploads their own paywalled content to AIBooru directly and not somewhere else first?
My take on this is more focusing on the nature of what the Booru sites are‒ specifically as an aggregator that curates and categorizes images. The Boorus are not publishing platforms, and they do not have the features to support publishing, like followers and algorithms, to engage users with content creators. Sure, one can "publish" here with self-upload, but their work won't have the same kind of audience engagement they do on sites like Twitter/X, Pixiv, Patreon, Fanbox, Ko-Fi, or Civitai.
I think AIBooru holds a very unique position in holding a top spot for sites that focus exclusively on AI-generated content; and entrepreneurs looking to make some cash by flexing their tech skills and love for smut can certainly use this site to gain visibility on their content. The logical method of doing this is through paid_reward_available. Other Boorus permit this, and I think it is in AIBooru's best interest to be in alignment with its sister sites, which I believe may help legitimize AI-generated content as an artform in the future.
Secondly, having an image be a "paid reward" and publicly published is a contradiction and sets a precedent for this site to make contradictory policies in the future. For the sake of the site's longevity, and being a significant member of the AI-content community, I think it is best to avoid disjoint policies and practices. I suggest considering if an artist uploads a paywalled image to a site without rights management or access control, then the image should be considered public and no longer a paid reward. Assuming this‒ and due to AIBooru's nature as an image aggregator, I assert this site should not permit images that were paid rewards unless it has been publicly released on another site, even if the artist is self-uploading.
Just wanted to edit AI generation is getting through the trough of disillusionment, and people are starting to pick back up on the hype. We are approaching a point of maturity AIBooru should be ready for, and I think permitting paid rewards when they are not public would be detrimental to this end.
No. Unless it's just pointing to a different site or there are links present that do lead to paywalled content. The site shouldn't have have anything to do with "paid rewards" directly.
Also whoever said "ai art cannot be owned" is as much of a retard as the ones pushing for it to be monetized in every space.
I think the best practice is to go by Danboru rules. If Danbooru does not or does allow paid content, I believe AIBooru should follow in it's footsteps.
