*_nails tags to imply nail polish

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create implication aqua_nails -> nail_polish
create implication purple_nails -> nail_polish
create implication blue_nails -> nail_polish
create implication green_nails -> nail_polish
create implication pink_nails -> nail_polish
create implication red_nails -> nail_polish
create implication black_nails -> nail_polish

Pretty much all of these should be tagged with nail polish anyways, the number of nail polish posts (692) is less than the actual number of all of these tags combined (781).

There are of course other *_nails tags but I went and tagged them up with nail_polish or removed them if they were too bad to be counted as having nail tags to begin with, but those should also be implied to nail_polish as well.

Related https://danbooru.donmai.us/forum_topics/26417

Linking this as it seems like it's been a long discussion over there so there ought to be a reason why these implications haven't been done yet. I didn't read the whole thing yet myself but should be important to check out why.

Okay, so I read the linked thread... then I went ahead and read other three that were linked in that one too. This specific BUR has been made there at least 2 or three times and ended up rejected every time.

Reason given on Danbooru for un-implying them in the first place:

In general, an unusual nail color shouldn't imply nail polish for the same reason green hair shouldn't imply hair dye: artists are not bound by real-world limitations on what colors are and are not possible to occur naturally.

The argument I'm gathering here is that there are characters that can have nail colors that are unusual in reality, but in fiction, may not be so out of place. To say it's "nail polish" just because it's different from how an average humans' finger/toenails appear makes it incorrect, I guess.

ANJU said:

Okay, so I read the linked thread... then I went ahead and read other three that were linked in that one too. This specific BUR has been made there at least 2 or three times and ended up rejected every time.

The argument I'm gathering here is that there are characters that can have nail colors that are unusual in reality, but in fiction, may not be so out of place. To say it's "nail polish" just because it's different from how an average humans' finger/toenails appear makes it incorrect, I guess.

Well in my opinion that would be like not tagging shirt if some mutant character had a built-in shirt. Maybe you might have an argument, but in my opinion, if it looks like nail polish, it pretty much should be nail polish and any business of "but my waifu's nails aren't painted black, they ARE black!" is a lore explanation that means nothing on how they should be tagged.

I'm not really trying to make an argument, I was only offering my takeaway from Danbooru discussions about the subject.

Using an explanation like you offered is canon tagging.. eh, or canon non-tagging... because while a specific character may normally have unusually colored nails, unless the uploader actually knows those details about the character, they're just going to assume it's nail polish anyway.

Wouldn't it be simpler to remove the alias colored_nails -> nail_polish, make these implications to colored_nails & keep nail_polish as a separate thing for shiny, non-colored nails? I don't know much about makeup or similar things but this would make sense in my head.

Lyren said:

Wouldn't it be simpler to remove the alias colored_nails -> nail_polish, make these implications to colored_nails & keep nail_polish as a separate thing for shiny, non-colored nails? I don't know much about makeup or similar things but this would make sense in my head.

Well "nail polish" in typical language refers to what colored nails. I know there's like another term for shiny and non-colored nails but I've forgotten what it is, but it probably is nail polish as well. But really I haven't heard a lot of usage of "colored nails" in typical language, at least not here in The States. I've always just heard "painted nails" or "nail polish" to describe them. So really I wouldn't say this would be a good alias or implication at least.

I don't really buy the natural vs painted argument, but this still doesn't address colored toenails vs fingernails. Nail polish says it can be used on both, but we have a separate toenail polish tag.

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ANJU said:

I'm not really trying to make an argument, I was only offering my takeaway from Danbooru discussions about the subject.

Using an explanation like you offered is canon tagging.. eh, or canon non-tagging... because while a specific character may normally have unusually colored nails, unless the uploader actually knows those details about the character, they're just going to assume it's nail polish anyway.

I think this one of those really stupid Danbooru reasonings that don't really make sense because there's essentially one or two cases that don't fit in with what should be an general assumption, but because one or two exceptions make the rule on boorus we have to roll with it. In any case, if it's an informed characteristic it shouldn't be tagged anyway

Tag what you see, not what you know. In other words, only tag the visual and factual elements in the image. For example, images where the full moon is prominently depicted will have a full_moon tag. Ideally you should use an existing tag on Danbooru.

This is another case of really stupid Danbooru inconsistencies that we've inherited. If the tag should be granular between natural colored nails and nail polish and we should only tag what we see, we should only tag nail polish when they're painting nails.

Penance said:

I don't really buy the natural vs painted argument, but this still doesn't address colored toenails vs fingernails. Nail polish says it can be used on both, but we have a separate toenail polish tag.

I'm in favor of keeping separate tags for both.

Penance said:

I don't really buy the natural vs painted argument, but this still doesn't address colored toenails vs fingernails. Nail polish says it can be used on both, but we have a separate toenail polish tag.

Would it work if *_nails tags would be kept as umbrella for both and fingernail polish / colored fingernails was created? People could search for red_nails toenail_polish for example.

Sure, but then e.g. red nails could not implicate either. Nail polish would have to be deprecated and sorted out into fingernail/toenails.

Penance said:

Sure, but then e.g. red nails could not implicate either. Nail polish would have to be deprecated and sorted out into fingernail/toenails.

Hm, what I meant was nail polish being the umbrella (as it is for toenail polish already actually). Then it would go

*_nails -> nail_polish
toenail_polish -> nail_polish
fingernail_polish / colored_fingernails -> nail_polish

Would that make this BUR valid, and all to do afterwards is just creating a new tag for fingernails?

Sorry if I still missed something.

I don't know about that, what would likely end up happening is people tagging only nail polish and not toenail/fingernail polish or the color tags. That tends to be how umbrella tags end.

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